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Job 1.7-
October 29th 2023
Before we begin I want to announce a different approach to the text and our gatherings here in the Salt lake City Branch of Yeshuan’s.
And the announcement is I am going to work through the text myself ahead of time, and cull out the principle parts that have direct importance or application to us today in the age of fulfillment and leave the rest to you for personal study.
There are some reasons for this that include the following:
We have worked through the apostolic record and have that recorded and in print, and
because of our view of fulfillment
because the number of passages in the Old Testament that are unnecessary to our direct walk in the faith today in the sense of NEEDING to hear them,
because to really understand the Old Testament it requires a scholar which I am not, and finally
I think the better Old Testament instructor might be someone like Grady who can take up the teaching through Exodus and work through to Malachi with much more insight on how the OT proves fulfillment and all that comes with it.
Anyway, beginning today, and coming from me, I am going to continue with Job in this way and then embark on more free-flowing scripturally based insights as I hit on subject worth investigation.
I’m suppose this is where things are going to really push us into seeing the faith through the eyes of fulfillment.
You might be shocked at what I skip in the weeks and months and years to come but I’ll do my best.
So, let’s continue on with Job where we read from verse 7-12
7 YAHAVAH said to Satan, “Whence have you come?” Satan answered the YAHAVAH, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”
8 And YAHAVAH said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”
9 Then Satan answered YAHAVAH, “Does Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast thou not put a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? Thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.
11 But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse thee to thy face.”
12 And the YAHAVAH said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only upon himself do not put forth your hand.” So, Satan went forth from the presence of YAHAVAH.
Because this story is in the Bible we have to ask, “Is this still happening today?” And of course, from our view the answer is not in this same way but indirectly.
I want to help explain why and this will take some time and will include some startling views to consider.
As a precursor, we have to, in my estimation, rework some things in our heads that have been traditionally ignored.
And the first thing to remember is that there were sons of God created before human-beings who were made in God’s image.
Another way to say this is before the earth and humans existed YAHAVAH, the only uncreated God created spiritual sons, god’s, deities and elohiyms.
And we talked about this fact last week.
Remember – these were not physical, but were instead spiritual, and there was an apparent vast array of them in terms of make-up, traits, powers and abilities.
I can only speak to possibilities relative to them, but the scripture does support the following about some of their traits:
They were not human and never would be.
They have the ability to judge, govern and carry out justice in heaven and earth.
Some most or all could defy YAHAVAH as they apparently also were, at least some of them, given free will.
Some came down and engaged with the women creating a different sort of species apparently
And from all of this we might suggest that some of them, most, a few resented that YAHAVAH would create Man in His own image.
If this is the case, the Yeshua’s finished work was effective in heaven, on earth and below the earth.
This is why through Christ there would be a new heaven and a new earth (Revelation 21)
(Ephesians 3:15) Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.
Philippian 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Prior to this “victory over all things in heaven, earth and even below the earth,” Yeshua, the very Light of YAHAVAH broke through the dark as the Light, created borders, so to speak from which the dark cannot cross and some, few, or most of these gods went to war with YAHAVAH, ostensibly angered (I suggest) that YAHAVAH was giving human beings the ability to become Sons too – but through material means.
We might wonder how these beings, forces, traits or powers could ever be at war with the Living God when they were in His proximity and were even able to see Him BUT THIS IS THE VERY NATURE OF YAHAVAH – where He is, there will always be a place where He is not, and where that is is His opposition that refuses His presence.
It was in the beginning of Creation where God had to divide the Dark from the Light, it was in the Garden when Humans were in His presence and chose to go against Him, it appears to have been the case with the Sons of God, with those who defected and came to earth, and with Ha Satan if he/it was a person.
From what I can see we would do well getting over the notion that there is a single being of evil with the personal pronoun name Satan. There are beings. And there will forevermore be beings, this is why Paul wrote in Ephesians 6:12
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
This sets the stage for the Creation account where the whole human race (Adam and Eve) faced a choice – which is central to how YAHAVAH operates with most of His creations – with choice.
Yes, it seems that some are created and lack choice – like heavenly alligators that operate by sheer instinct like Cherubims that guard the Tree of Life – but there seems to be choice at the center of much of life created by YAHAVAH – whether heavenly, earthly or in the heart of spiritual wickedness in high places.
Now think back to the Garden setting – a being that was more intelligent than all “other” beasts of the field (called the nachash, in Hebrew) and is thought of to be a snake or serpent named Satan who stepped in and tempted the woman.
For doing this the being (whatever it was) was cursed and when we look back you might recall that I suggested that the being was an orangutang – which made everybody laugh.
What was important about that assessment was this being appears to have been embodied or possesses by “the Dark spirit of this eternal principality.
We want to make it a person, a fallen angel that we call Satan but the reality is Job and the rest of the Old Testament make ha Satan more of an adversarial prosecutorial spirit (or attitude) than a person.
In other words, the nachash was filled with or overcome by the Dark Spirit of rebellion and ventured forth in that spirit to tempt Eve and was then cursed by God for doing it.
Perhaps the spirit was mightier than the nachash and overtook it or perhaps it had to be invited in by the nacash and was.
The simian (or whatever it was) was then cursed by God and these specific cursings were embodied by it and its offspring forevermore. Go to any zoo and you will see this confirmed.
When it came to the rebellious accusatory spirit itself, God says
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall crush thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
We see this crushing begin and even occur at the cross with the bleeding skull of the adversarial force draining out until the return of Christ for His Bride and Ha Satan going about like a roaring lion knowing his time was short.
When Ha Satan shows up after Genesis (in Job) it is in the form of a spiritual prosecutor going to and fro over the earth to see who it could test and try NOT having any urgency of time.
Again, because of its title, this was not a personal being in the sense of being Satan with horns and a pitchfork, but was a spirit or spirits (perhaps) that either were assigned or embodied the spirit of the Dark or absence of YAHAVAH.
The standard fare for most believing people today in describing the origins of Satan is to take Ezekiel 28 that say,
Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
By taking these descriptions and adding that he was “cast out of heaven,” going about as a roaring lion and/or of him taking “a third of the hosts of heaven with Him,” and of him being “a liar and murderer from the beginning,” we have a hard time resisting the evolved personification of Satan and join the choir of others who assign him the role as the arch enemy of YAHAVAH, even as the originator of evil and then the very Creator of such.
Before we get to the best research on Ha Satan, remember, as you are forming your views on the topic, the following:
The scripture, speaks of God creating a heavenly economy of spirit sons and deities that were somehow influenced to rebel against Him.
That Eve fell before she fell, was perfect and chose, as a perfectly created being, to eat what God plainly told her to refuse and in choosing to eat it would THEN Fall,
Finally, that the scripture will take concepts, events and other to personify Him or it – like it does with wisdom in Proverbs 1,8, and 9 where it is personified as a woman – when wisdom is not a personal pronoun being any more than Satan is,
Therefore, we might see the Satan as being “an dark attitude or personality” that consists of all the expressions that stand in opposition to YAHAVAH. Attitudes that:
Accusation, seduction, the Dark, lies, to trick and trip, to deceive, manipulate, control, lead away to the dark, or away from God, that promote the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil instead of to faith and love and on and on and on.
So, let’s work through some of the mushy tradition that has caused most believers to just think in terms of Satan the horned devil as the author or all evil.
What is surprising about it is that this entity was actually a late-comer in the ancient world of Beings.
In fact, and as we have said, as a being who is totally evil” the idea is not found anywhere in the Jewish Bible or Tanahk.
This is so vitally important for us when it comes to comprehending Dark vs Light and the reality of Ha Satan.
The embodiment of Evil idea started to evolve during what is known as the height of the Persian Achaemenid Empire (which began around 550 BC – when many corruptions popped up in the Nation) and it was adopted by Jews living under Persian rule at the time.
What is most important to remember is the simple fact that “that the concept of a personified Satan emerged and evolved over time.”
Looking to the heavenly economy and the Grand CEO CREATER GOD YAHAVAH OVER ALL THINGS we read the following in Deuteronomy 28.
Now, remembering that YAHAVAH is over all but has created a heavenly economy of spirits, ask yourself as I read this text, who or what does the following when God says:
1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
8 The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
9 The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.
10 And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.
11 And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
12 The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
13 And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:
14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
I might suggest that the heavenly devoted sons of God were the ones that blessed the Nation when obedient on behalf of YAHAVAH.
Now listen as YAHAVAH continues and saysn
15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
Could it also be that all of this He permitted and allowed the Dark Spiritual forces to carry out because they enjoyed such work, that were inclined to destruction, that were suited to mete out the punishments upon disobedient Israel?
That YAHAHAH allows blessing and curses according to our choices?
Because YAHAVAH was steadily revealing Himself as One, even with a name, could it be that as the Nation found itself more and more rebellious, that they too “honed the name” of what attacked and destroyed them into a person, ultimately even placing the blame for their behaviors on the influence of a specific source of evil they called Satan?
Remember, in Genesis, YAHAVAH speaks to his heavenly court, “the sons of God” as He proceeds to create the earth. It appears that in the creative account He employed them – why not in the destructive accounts, and in the accounts of pain, disease and death?
Perhaps He even employs them according to their temperment and desires?
After the creation account there is that strange reference in Genesis 6 where “the sons of God” ostensibly had intercourse with human women, producing the “Nephilim”, ancient giants.
This gives purpose in helping explain why God sent the flood and this makes sense of what we read all the way out in Jude the following
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Where many pantheons had gods who mated with women (like Zeus in Greek mythology) Israel rejected this behavior as this mixing could lead to the great sin of idolatry and Jude proves that it was not endorsed by God because He punished these heavenly spirits by locking them up in chains unto judgement of the great day (which I believe has happened).
But as mentioned, Ha-Satan rarely appears in the Jewish scriptures and when it/he does he opposes, accuses, tricks and tempts humans, not God.
When Jerusalem was conquered and destroyed by the Neo-Babylonian Empire (587 BCE), some Jews were taken into captivity in Babylon. Cyrus the Great then conquered the Babylonians in 550 BCE and established the Persian Empire.
The state cult of Persia was Zoroastrianism, founded by the prophet Zoroaster.
Evil was seen as the polar opposite of good in this system of faith. A pure, good being, Ahura Mazda (‘Wise Lord’) was the source of everything and at the polar end was called “druj,” meaning, chaos.
Druj was personified as a being called Angra Mainyu (‘false’, ‘deception’), also known as Ahr-iman.
To the Zoarastrian, the heavens, the earth, and all humans fell within this polar range between Mazda and Ahriman.
When Cyrus permitted the Jews to return to Jerusalem in 539 BC they took many elements of ancient Persian religion with them and merged their personification of chaos with their earlier views of ha-Satan.
And all evil was assigned to Satan instead of YAHAVAH.
In the writings of the Jewish sect of the Essenes who settled at Qumran (circa. 150 BCE), we have our first literature that created a method known as the personification of evil.
Interestingly, at that time the sectarian literature equated Satan not only with evil but specifically with anyone or any group not in agreement with the Essene’s own views, including other Jews.
According to their texts, God had created two spirits in humans: “the way of light” and “the way of darkness.” The demons were now under the control of Satan, and he sent them to possess those in darkness to commit evil.
The Essenes applied symbolic names to Satan and his agents; Belial (Hebrew for ‘worthless’) who will lead the “sons of darkness” against those of light in the “final battle” (called, The War Scroll).
As with the angels and archangels in YAHAVAH’s heavenly realm, we now begin to see hierarchy and different functions in what has become Satan’s court.
Beelzebub was one of the seven princes of Hell and was derived from an ancient Canaanite god who was known for getting rid of flies (carriers of disease).
Therefore, we get Beelzebub, called, Lord of the Flies.
In another text, Jubilees, more Devil lore was added. Satan’s name there is Mastema (which means ‘hated’ or ‘hostility’).
We learn there (from the Jubiless text) that “Mastema” wanted to be higher than God and rebelled and He and his fellow angels were tossed down into the bottomless pit.
It was here that what was not the personified Satan became a fallen angel. God wanted to destroy all the demons after the flood, but Mastema asked God to let him have a tenth of them to continue to plague men because “the evil of the sons of men is great” (10:8).
With God’s permission, Mastema became the tempter who was then written back into earlier stories.
Again in Jubilees, it was Mastema who was permitted to test Abraham with the binding of Isaac. In other words, God’s omnipotence remains intact as Satan could not do his work without God’s permission.
When we get to the gospels and the letters of Paul we have a view that Satan is now “the ruler of this world,” or better put, “of that age.”
When we read Yeshua’s descriptions of Satan without this back story, we automatically think of it “as a Him” instead of as a force of Darkness that perpetuates all these diabolical things.
I would suggest that while the scripture and even Yeshua seems to refer to it as a “him” the overall reality remains – ha Satan was no different than it was from before the beginning – the Dark, standing opposite the Living God that opposes and accuses all that He is, wants, and represents – and not an individual person THOUGH individual persons may embody it.
Relisten to Paul’s words when he writes
Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against “the Devil’s” schemes. (The Devil is a title even here, like The Satan, and not a name) “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms (Ephesians 6:11-12).
Then throughout most of the book of Revelation, the Devil remains chained in the pit. But at the end of Christ’s 1000-year reign, Satan is released for the final battle.
He or it is then tossed into the “lake of fire” (Revelation 20:1-5).
So, let me take it up one more notch before we end this teaching today.
Yeshua is speaking to the Jews and we read
John 8:42 If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Remember, that the spirit of Ha Satan is that of an accuser, a stumbler, trickster, liar, murderer.
Do not these words describe what was in the heart of most of the religious leaders in Yeshua’s day?
And what did they use to accuse Him and others with?
The Law. Right? Next week I am going to embark on a follow-up from here to help explain how Israel, not true Israel, in Yeshua’s day, embodied the spirit of the accuser through the Law, and how Yeshua both fulfilled the Law, defeated Ha Satan and explain how there is still evil in the world today.
But before we wrap up, I want to take us through how Satan became even more of a evil person incarnate.
By the second century Christian leaders adopted the personification of evil in Satan against Jews, women, heretics, and all things pagan.
This practice only grew, somehow ignoring the victorious work of Christ on the Cross and through His resurrection.
Then there was what became known as the “Harrowing of Hell,” a doctrine of Man based on 1 Peter 3 where we read,
1Pe 3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 ¶ The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
According to the harrowing idea,
Jesus “made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits who disobeyed long ago” and then in 1st Peter 4:6 we read
1st Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
By the 2nd century CE, details were added to the story of Jesus’ death to elucidate two man-made points:
The first was that while Yeshua was in the grave He traveled to Hell where he battled the personified Satan for the souls of the righteous. The story says that when the stone was rolled back, these righteous souls came with him (Adam, Noah, Moses, Plato, and Aristotle).
Second, the idea that Christ “descended into Hell [and] on the third day, he arose again” became embedded in the 4th-century CE Nicene Creed.
By the early Middle Ages, the story was known as “the Harrowing of Hell,” with the word, ‘to harry’ meaning to raid something.
Also, in one of John’s visions, he referenced Isaiah 14, which is a polemic against the King of Babylon.
Isaiah castigated the king who titled himself “day-star” for his hubris of thinking that he was divine, asking
“How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn!”
When Jerome translated the Hebrew scriptures into Latin in the 4th century CE, he knew that the Romans named their morning star (which was the planet Venus) “Lucifer” and Jerome decided to translate the Isaiah 14 passage using that name. Lucifer then became the most popular name of the impersonal ha Satan in the Middle Ages helping to cement him in as a single person.
The first iconic portraits of Satan came from the Greco-Roman fertility deity, “Pan,” who was half-man, half-goat. This is how Satan got his hooves and horns. Pan was represented with and was famous for a huge, erect phallus. This appendage then became common in describing Satan.
Initially, he was drawn black then red to associate this standard color with hellfire.
It was also in the 2nd century CE that both Christians and Jews – the early Rabbis – applied new understandings to the story of the fall.
This is when the serpent became fully identified as the Devil in disguise.
In the Rabbinic treatise, “Genesis Rabbah,” Eve’s sexual shame is why women remain veiled, and that menstruation was her additional punishment.
Tertullian, a 2nd-century CE Church Father, claimed that through Eve all women were the “Devil’s gateway” and because of Eve “even the son of God had to die.” One reason I pay little attention to the insights of the early church fathers.
The religious traditions of Europe (the Celts, Druidism, and Teutons) added other characteristics to the being.
For instance the Celts had a horned god of the west, Cernunnos, similar to Pan and the daughter of Loki had a dual role in fertility as well as ruler over the dead, and her name became incorporated to the place ‘Hel’ or Hell.
With animal characteristics, Lucifer and his demons had the ability to change shape, and so a constant watch was necessary.
Soon the need to be able to repel Lucifer was needed and this was done through the signs of the cross, holy water, the rosary, and communion wafers.
Then looking at the way feudal relationships were established (through a pact), the concept of making a pact with Satan of your soul in return for prosperity was popularized by the story of Faust).
Only the intervention of Mary, the mother of Christ, could break the pact.
It was here that exorcism rituals were developed that are still taught to certain Catholic priests.
In 1265-1321 CE) Dante Aligerhi’s Inferno depicted Satan as a three-faced monster in the lowest section of Hell with giant bat-wings.
For Dante, the greatest sin was betrayal, and it was therefore the acts of Brutus, Cassius and Judas were at the hairy cloven foot of Satan instead of where it belonged in the hands of each human choosing Dark over Light.
Speaking of Dark over Light we do have a short book called Light and Dark available that might help shed some more light on the subject.
You can find that at Yeshuan.faith under my name.
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