Who Gets to Say?

The Foundation of the New Testament Church

Apostolic Leadership

Looking to the New Testament, there is an obviously established arrangement for Christ’s church. It is built upon a foundation of Prophets and Apostles with Jesus Christ being its chief cornerstone. It was established geographically, with churches growing up in the areas they were planted. But it was also centralized as Paul went about gathering collections for the starving Saints in Jerusalem. It was a body of believers who gathered in geographically convenient locations to know the Lord through scripture, worship Him in Spirit and Truth, and take communion (until he came).

This New Testament church was under apostolic rule – which is what kept His church whole and prevented the gates of hell from dominating over it. If they were not important in this effort He would not have called and trained them. Even with their presence and leadership, the church still struggled against all manner of immensely evil infiltrations, but it was able to withstand falling because of this direct Apostolic leadership.

Ever wonder what would happen without these Apostles on earth? Just take a look at material church history from around 100AD to the present and you’ll have your answer. Some Christians today try and paint the ancient Church in glowing light – and granted, there have always been a true body of believers – but organized religion has never, in any case, escaped corruption and the gates of hell.

The need to remain righteous and good and in the vine was paramount in the lives of the earliest church and the teachings of the Apostles constantly warned the nascent church to stay faithful amidst all manner of difficulties and temptations in preparation of His coming return with reward and punishment upon the people of that age. This is the central apostolic message – receive Him before it was too late, and remain in Him until the end. Anyone reading the New Testament has to honestly admit this.

Additionally, wherever a church was established in the Apostolic church deacons and elders were appointed by the believers who were encouraged and led by written and in person apostolic direction. Again, the vital influence of Christ’s chosen ones upon that church cannot be understated. The New Testament is a record of this church prior to Christ coming to take it, bringing reward and punishment. If He has NOT taken it, then we ought to still operate in the manner Jesus’ living apostles set it up.

This is the way most Christian churches approach the faith today. Talking to Pastors, I hear so many using the Bible to justify how they believe things are to be done in Christianity today. But it's comical because it's all a game of pick and choose. Either the Bible is the guide or the Bible is not – and when any pastor on earth is questioned, they will all – every one of them, in some way or another – justify why some things are still done and why some things are not. And they all differ with each other. What’s fascinating is most of them agree that tithes should continue – isn’t that interesting.

Of course, if Jesus has come and taken His church back in 70 AD then trying to continue with practices of the New Testament is wholly unnecessary. So let’s go to our board of direction – I want answers – and you should want answers too.

Church Structure and Roles

Deacons

1 Timothy 3:8: Likewise must the deacons be grave, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

There ought to be deacons (or servants) in Jesus Church. This one’s easy – select diakonos and let them serve. Those led to help and serve will. Because the focus is NOT on material church there is no heavy need for specially called deacons.

Elders

Titus 1:5: For this cause I (Paul) left thee in…

New Testament Practices and Modern Applications

Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

Older men in the faith were elected by the Apostles and the people to oversee Jesus Church. Pretty easy to – but remember, the Apostles seemed to oversee the elders elected, so if no apostles we have to wonder about the effectiveness of today's elders chosen.

There is no need to elect Elders if there is no material church to serve. At this point, let’s start looking at some things in the New Testament that either came from Jesus or the Apostles. In so doing we have to ask – are we in the position to discard them and if so, who gives us that right? Offsetting some people’s “right to ignore these things” lies the fact that others will NOT ignore them because they are in the Bible.

So whose right? Where’s the Apostolic leadership to direct us? Oh, it’s in the Bible?! But not what they said “here,” just what they said “there?” Get the problem? The Restorationist movement led by Alexander Campbell addressed these issues and Mormonism was a product of such thinking. But we know the issues there.

Examination of Apostolic Instructions

So, for every Pastor who says that they just follow the Bible, I want answers to the following things Jesus and or the Apostles said explained:

New Testament Church Instructions

Number One

Jesus’ New Testament Church

Passage

Comment on Application

Result?

The only viable alternative today?

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For believers to avoid marriage

1st Corinthians 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.

Do we still give this advice? Seems like we are in a different age. This advice was important to an age WHY? Because that was about to end but it's nonsensical in a kingdom that will never end.

Some preach this, some ignore this – who is right? Where are our apostles? Oh, the Spirit will guide? Then shouldn’t that be the case on everything?

This is a ridiculous discussion altogether in past 2000 years. Marriage is a union of this world – whatever is is. Let every man and woman be subject to God according to how they are led.

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Pray for the sick for healing

James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Are elders healing the sick with prayers and oil today?

Oh yes, yes they are, comes the reply. Unless you are speaking to a “Cessationist.” That’s a group of people who have made it convenient to say all spiritual gifts have stopped. Why do they believe this? Because the Apostles are all gone!

We have churches who still follow this, churches that reject it, churches that prey upon others using it, churches that make healing their focus – it's freaking endless! Today we have doctors. They didn’t really have effective ones then.

This passage says what to do with the sick. It’s clear, it's apostolic, it's in the word. Show me a pastor who has a child who wakes up in a feverish coma, and only does what this advice commands and I will show you a zealot. But then, isn’t this what all Christians SHOULD do? See the problem with assigning the Word directly to our material lives today?

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Women are not to talk in church

1st Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

The Two Greek words are clear here – see-gah-o for silence and la-eh-o for not speak. Keep your mouths shut and do not talk. In other places Paul talks about women prophesying and teaching but this does not relate to what he says to them in church.

You tell me. I know there are some churches today that follow this. Does this make them better? The real question is WHY all churches don’t follow this? How can anyone who claims the Bible as their authority justify disobedience to it? Now, think about those instructions relative to the conflicts of the age and time; that Paul was trying to protect the church from the gates of hell (which would have included cultural expectations) Right?

Now take that thinking and assign it to the rest of the Apostolic teachings.

Wealth in the New Testament

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What does the New Testament say to the rich?

Let’s look to the brother of Jesus himself. James 5:1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. 2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. 3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last daysThe final years of the old covenant age—fulfilled in the first century, not future end times.. 4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. 5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

Are these things preached to those who are rich in your church? If not, why not? Oh, I’m sure they are preached from the pulpit in poor communities, right? But how many pastors in an affluent area will teach this as it is? Then consider what Jesus said about riches!

Again, churches pick and choose – like they do on all verses of the New Testament! But it was clear what James and Jesus said, isn’t it? How can we disregard these clear messages while emphasizing others? What’s really amazing to me is that there are churches that will preach against riches while striving to become rich themselves! There lies the real evil. It’s all a mess.

In this age, if a person is wealthy God loves them. If they are poor God loves them. His is a spiritual kingdom and those who relate to Him do so spiritually. There is therefore liberty in all walks and stations of life. The poor serve a purpose as do the rich – if they are willing. Certainly riches can make people proud but so can poverty.

Plainness of Women

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Plainness of women Speaking of women Peter said:

1st Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; For clarity let me quote another version here: (RSV) Let not yours be the outward adorning with braiding of hair, decoration of gold, and wearing of fine clothing,

What are women wearing in your church? I mean how many churches are following this? And how many allow – and even promote – the OPPOSITE of it? That’s what’s fascinating!

In the Spiritual church these things are all superfluous. So in one sense many churches are accepting this view relative to women and their appearance. Why not to the rest of it?

Self-Mutilation Over Temptation

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Self-mutilation over temptation

Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Jesus said it, do we believe it or justify ourselves around it?

What if a guy with a problem with porn came to church one day with his eye plucked out? How would a “Pastor” react? But what would be the Pastor’s justification for reacting so horribly? And if he can take THESE words of Jesus so badly, why not others?

Do you see what the term Sola Scriptura has done? It has made EVERY pastor the one who decides how to interpret scripture! Everyone! But they have no authority!

God foresaw this end result and so He said Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, (Meaning in our day) saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Non-Defense of Self

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Non-defense of self

Jesus said in Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. I mean this view is so badly ignored that as a “Christian Nation (of Evangelicals) we won’t even let another country strike us without hitting them back twice as hard!

The teaching is here – from the Lord. The question is do we live and teach it or do we justify it away. Following this edict of Christ is a personal choice. Those strong in the faith may succeed. Those not ready may…

Challenging Biblical Interpretations

Resist it. But it is all up to the person involved and their walk with God.

Giving to Any Who Ask

8 Giving to any who ask
Matthew 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Luke 3:11 He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.

Would your pastor recommend this? Why or why not? In an age that was about to end, the advice makes sense – there was no reason to save up for the future – but what about now? Mary and I live one block from three homeless shelters. If we walk down the block we run the potential of being asked for money 100 times in a row. What to do?

In our age, we are lead of the Spirit. The church Jesus spoke to was of another time. To take this message literally is an impossibility. But the real question is who gets to say this is up to the Spirit but another passage is not?

Considerations on Marriage and Divorce

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Don’t marry a divorced woman
Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
So what about this one?

I met with a pastor who claimed they follow the New Testament (he actually used it to justify tithes – uggh). He believes in discipling people in sinMissing the mark of faith and love—no punishment, just lost growth or peace. too! Ha. I didn’t ask him, but I wonder if a wealthy man married a woman who was divorced if he would call the man an adulterer? Is this passage true? If it is, how are we to approach it in the churches today?

Oh, I know – there are pastors who are real sticklers on this one – even disinvite people from attending their services if there has been divorce. But I wanna know if they follow all the things we’ve discussed. Under law Jesus words are correct but we are not under law. We are in the New Covenant of Grace. The place where God has written His laws upon our hearts and minds. The material is done – it is shakable – but the spiritual reigns – and its fruit is love. LOVE LOVE LOVE. Whatever is good and loving and is of God is determined by the individuals involved. They are responsible before their God, making sentences like this up to them.

Financial Instruction

10 Don’t save your money!

Jesus said it!
Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

All over the Christian world there are these financial gurus – Dave Ramses – telling people how to be wise financially. How to save, right? But Jesus said something entirely different, didn’t He? What to do? Jesus words make sense to an age or world that He was coming to take and destroy, right? But they are somewhat nonsensical in our day and age. OR NOT. For those lead of the Spirit to not save they are fine. And for those lead of the Spirit they are fine too. Get it?

11 Oooh, how about this one:
Hate for family
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Oh, we need to take these words in context? I agree. They ALL need to be taken in context – especially the context of the time and what was happening. But Again, again, again – we are faced with who DECIDES what is actual, what is not actual but a principle, and what is a metonym. To THAT Jewish economy these words were true. Today they may still be true, or they MAY not. Who’s to decide – the individual!

12 Almost done!

“Give away all you has!”
Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

The Greek for forsage means to say good-bye. To what? To all that he has! To a Jew becoming a Christian then this would almost be enforced upon them. In this day? And how does this apply to Children born in Christian homes? The children of pastors? Are they supposed to say goodbye to all they have too? More importantly, is this to be read Literally? Figuratively? Actually?? And the best question is who on earth gets to tells us which it is?

Understanding Biblical Directives in Modern Christianity

Is your pastor, mine, your bishop, your pope, your Reverend?

Some pastor’s churches teach this literally and take EVERYTHING a person owns from off their hands so they can be more holy, right? All of these difficulties are erased when we accept that all of this has, one, been fulfilled and that in the New Covenant of Christ, the Spirit guides on what to give, and what to withhold, without ANY intervention of men needed.

Treatment of Widows

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I love this one – the “Treatment of Widows”
1st Timothy 5:9 Let not a widow be taken into the number who is . . .

• under threescore years old, (that’s sixty)
• having been the wife of one man,
• Well reported of for good works;
• if she have brought up children,
• if she have lodged strangers,
• if she have washed the saints' feet,
• if she have relieved the afflicted,
• if she have diligently followed every good work.

We can see that this is a description for that time and age. Because what if there was a homeless widow of 29, in desperate need? What would Jesus say to our treatment of her and our willingness to help her? Are we going to go by these directives? What if she has no children but meets everything else? What if 59 and a half? We know what scripture says, right? If she has been married twice? Not such a good report? No children. No strangers lodged? No feets washed? No afflicted relieved? Not followed diligently after every good work? Paul’s advice was to them then. Today, we aren’t in the business of churching, we are in the business of being Christian – without the brick and mortar, by the Spirit. And we can see this advice for what it is – historical information on what was in the early church – before Jesus took it.

Scripture and Provision for Families

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Oooh, this is a good one. How about our thoughts for “Those who fail to provide for their families”

1st Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. (an UNBELIEVER) Would a Pastor teach this today – that it would be better for a man to be an UNBELIEVER in Christ AND provide for his family then to be a believer and fail to provide for his own? Come on, it's right here in scripture – black and white! In our age of women working and providing, does this still apply? I know some pastors who would say it does. And this is 2000 years since this was written. What about when we are in 3000 AD?

Bottom line, if this is true in the life of a believer, God will make it known by His Spirit and the man will get a job. If it isn’t, it's between the man and God anyway. That’s the beauty of the faith today.

On Family Burials

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Matthew 8:21 Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father and wanted to see to his burial before joining Jesus, Jesus said:
"Let the dead bury the dead."
Are we maintaining this view? Or are our funerals elaborate and church sponsored? Imagine a pastor telling someone to let the dead bury their dead father! But it’s in the Bible! YOU claim to follow the Bible. Do you follow this? If not, WHY not?

Ah, context – then why not context for all of it? The law that governs believers today is love. All decisions are based on whether it is loving or not. Because in His love, we are representing Him. This is the personal guide.

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Washing feet
John 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

Who’s doing it, bro’s? And who chose to ignore it and who says which way is acceptable? Another example of the insipid nature of claiming to follow the Bible as a material church today. Part of the material church – to do it is to play church.

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Women’s heads
1st Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoreth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Come on now! It’s right here! Some accept – Amish, Mennonites – most reject. Which is it, but most importantly, who GETS to say which it is? Nobody folks. Nobody. Which lends me to the grand conclusion. Nobody on earth can say anything. Those who do are all playing church. And it has been a fail since 100.

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