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The Crucifixion and Reconciliation: A Deep Dive into Matthew 27
Crucifixion, Sacrifice, Reconciliation
In this segment of the discussion on Matthew 27, Shawn and Delaney delve into the events surrounding the crucifixion of Jesus, focusing on the symbolism and significance of the moments leading up to and during the crucifixion. They explore the narrative of Simon of Cyrene, a man believed to be a Jewish black man, who was compelled to carry Jesus’s cross. This act is seen as a powerful symbol of strength and unity, transcending racial and cultural barriers.
The conversation then shifts to the crucifixion itself, where Jesus is mocked and offered wine mixed with myrrh, which he refuses, choosing to fully experience the pain of the moment. The casting of lots for Jesus’s garments is highlighted as a fulfillment of prophetic scripture, emphasizing the divine orchestration of these events.
Shawn and Delaney discuss the two rebels crucified alongside Jesus, representing different responses to Jesus’s identity and mission. The irony of the mockers’ challenge for Jesus to save himself is noted, as his true purpose was to save humanity through his sacrifice.
A significant portion of the discussion is dedicated to Jesus’s cry, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Shawn explains this as a moment of profound separation from God, paralleling the spiritual death experienced by Adam. This separation underscores the depth of Jesus’s sacrifice, as he bore the full weight of human sin.
The conversation touches on theological implications, questioning traditional views of the Trinity and exploring the nature of Jesus’s death. Shawn emphasizes that Jesus’s sacrifice was a once-and-for-all act, ensuring that God remains with believers despite their shortcomings.
The session concludes with reflections on the acceptance of Jesus’s sacrifice, likening it to the acceptance of a sacrificial lamb in the temple. The return of light symbolizes God’s acceptance and the restoration of the divine relationship, marking the completion of Jesus’s earthly mission.
Podcast Transcript:
part three of Matthew
27 okay
um get back
here soldiers dressed him up and mocked
him is where we left off um and now they
come into oh the there’s some
point they’re mocking they say hail King
of the Jews they spit on him took the
staff struck him um as they go out they
met a man named Simon and force him to
carry the cross what is
that I thought jesus carried it yeah he
carried it a certain distance but he was
so thrashed and that’s a really
important thing is that he wasn’t here
as a fleshly hero huh he was thrashed he
couldn’t do it anymore he probably
stumbled and fell on his face wow so
they took this guy who was standing
there and they said you carry it maybe
he was buff and strong it’s believed he
was black black he’s a black man what
how did they know that CU of where he
came from sth was a he’s a
sthan and it’s believed he was a Jewish
black man W from that there who was
there for the high holidays because it
was commanded for every male over 12 to
come to Israel come to Jerusalem for the
high holidays so he was there and he’s
watching this and he bore Jesus’s cross
wow a black
man that’s pretty touching I mean talk
about
symbolism talk about symbolism the one
who has the physical strength the one
who has the body the one who’s asked he
bears that cross and he’s a black man
you know there’s no white or black you
know that’s hard for people of prejudice
and bias you know like me I’m naturally
that way but to be to think of us is no
way no way that’s a yeah and so he bore
the cross for him yeah that is really
interesting mhm
um well not to keep going
but um yeah keep going it’s a really
small moment is that elaborated in other
it’s said in the synoptic gospels but I
don’t think it’s mentioned in
John they came to a place called
golgatha which means the place of the
skull
um and they offered Jesus wine and he
tasted and then refused it had mixed
with
myrr and something else and it was a
deadening it was like a analgesic and he
wouldn’t he wouldn’t dim down his pain
he oh so everybody else would drink it
so it would help them because it was so
horrific oh wow and he tasted it and he
refused it mixed with G it says G yeah
wow after tasting it he refused to drink
it when they crucified him they divide
up his clothes by casting lots sat and
wrote the charge over his head this is
Jesus king of the Jews it’s the casting
lots is prophetic it was mentioned that
they cast lots for his garments in the
Psalms so um oh that was prophetically
uttered way back yeah and uh they cast
lots for his outer robe which was woven
top to bottom and you couldn’t divide it
up so they cast lots for that one why
did why do
you why did you mention that just
because it’s prophetically fulfilled
there that you couldn’t divide it up no
that they would cast slots for his
clothes why did you mention they
couldn’t divide it up
though because uh there was no need to
cast up lots for a shirt or whatever
they used you know but when it came to a
very nice outer garment robe everybody
wants it and you can’t cut it up to make
everyone happy like a piece of meat so
they cast lots for that desired item
okay all right um okay so two Rebels
were also crucified with him one on his
right one on his left and like you
mentioned earlier you you know of what
they were about they were part of we
don’t it’s conjecture that they were the
other robbers thieves because they’re
called the thieves okay that they were
like Barabas and they were team of
insurrectionists so now we have uh two
different men on each side and they
represent two different types of people
in the world and how you see Jesus right
so that’s what unfolds
next so
they those who pass by him hurl insults
at him shaking their head save yourself
come down if you’re a Son of God I can
get really emotional talking about this
and I want to stay a little bit factual
but well uh let me just say something
the irony in that statement is that if
he saved himself he wouldn’t be the Son
of God that’s the irony in them saying
that save yourself show that you can
save yourself prove to us that you’re
the Son of God when the reality is the
Son of God came to save us and so he had
to stay up there you get it yeah and
what a thing to say you know you’re up
there and he knows I could really he
takes it
yeah yeah
and
come they they weren’t aware that the
Son of God had to die though no they
thought he we’ve talked about this but
they thought he had to be the material
King okay so sa yourself come down show
you’re more powerful than these guys
they were mocking the heck out of
him have you read the one I don’t think
it’s in Matthew where they slap him and
they say who tell prophesy for us who
hit you oh my God that comes up in one
of the other gospels that might it might
come up but that is insane all of the
stuff I feel like I’m reading the really
short version of things yeah I feel like
this one doesn’t show Tak all four
versions to get it well keep going um
they I mentioned though they
acknowledge things like they acknowledge
that he’s the son of God here by doing
that wouldn’t you say
well they acknowledge that he claimed to
be if they say yeah but they
say what do they say oh in the same way
the chief priests the teachers of law
and the elders mocks him he saved others
they said but he can’t save himself he’s
the king of Israel let him come to but
they acknowledge that he saved others
yeah they knew of his miracles that’s
what made they made them so diabolical I
see and Matthew points out they killed
him for Envy wow see so this is why it
makes the
Matic response thousand years later and
the acts of the Jews of the Old
Testament n not the nation but the
religion religion people it’s why it
makes it shows how diabolical they were
for power and they didn’t want anybody
to strip it from them
yeah
um okay so it it uh comes up to 3 in the
afternoon and he
says wait I want to make sure I didn’t
Skip and well it says in the same way
the rebels who were crucified with him
also heaped insults on him yeah did you
want did were you trying to point that
out earlier when you said we get a
picture of the I think it’ll come up
later what but I’ll make my point okay
so um 3 in the afternoon he
says Uh there’s the darkness came over
all the land and and he cried my God my
God why have you forsaken me okay stop
on that one okay the Jews broke their
day up into four parts I think it was
four four or six I can’t
remember at the 3:00
hour was when according to custom and
law they would actually kill the Lambs
that were living in the house with them
for the sacrificial Passover meal so at
the 3:00 hour he’s on the cross and it
says and darkness fell over the face of
the
earth I believe and and like other
people are in agreement with me that
that’s when Jesus In the
Flesh the god in him left him uhhuh and
he was left there the first time fully
human without God in him wow because of
our sin yeah so he knew because he he’s
there paying for our sin he knew what
the Deep deepest deaths depths are of
separation from God on our behalf as a
man I see and he goes from saying father
forgive them they don’t know what they
do and this and that and then here he
says my God it’s Elo Elo Lama saani
that’s what he says in Aramaic he
doesn’t say it in Greek he doesn’t say
it in Hebrew he says it you know why
have you forsaken me and that was his
that’s how we relate to this one you
know we can’t relate to what was in him
that’s not us and we can’t relate to
what was above but when the man
said you know my God why have you
forsaken me he was moved to a place and
that’s why it was dark it was the
darkest the beautiful thing is that the
light returns so his spiritual death was
only for a while but it was in the
most horrific of places to experience
absence from God it’s when I need you
the very most you’ve forsaken me but
then the light comes back and he returns
and he says father so he calls him
father so it’s when we when we get in
our moments of utter despair you know
we’re like why have you forsaken me even
Jesus asked that
question but uh it shows you how much
God loved us
and how much his son did for us on that
damn cross man because he didn’t need to
do it as a man and God gave him the
choice and he did it and so that’s why
we have the deification of Christ as a
man we just don’t have a guy and we
don’t have just God we have the God man
who did for us which we can’t do for
ourselves and we relate to him now in
these moments and he relates to us in
those moments
yeah you can’t help but get emotional
yeah you
know
yeah
um did do is this
like commonly assumed that God left him
it’s not at all like that wasn’t
prophesied that God would leave him it
just is my God my God is prophesied
those words are prophesied but but the
fact that God left him is it’s not and
that’s why people don’t necessarily
agree so then so to break away now and
go back to a more philosophical question
I have to ask you who died on the
cross because Jesus’s body his Jesus’s
body did did Jesus God the son of the
Trinity die on the
cross
no right but he died spiritually yeah so
this is a reputation of the Trinity when
you really examine it because if he was
a person existing forever next to Dad
yeah and he came down and he died then
Jesus the son abandoned himself you see
but we don’t have him doing that we have
him asking God why have you forsaken me
he doesn’t ask why have I forsaken me
the gnostics a different group they
teach that there was two
right and you get into all these
problems when you Embrace trinitarianism
when it comes to this very moment
because you have to ask well who died
where did Jesus the son who is a person
equal to his father and the Holy Spirit
persons where did he
go right
yeah I’m thinking too complex no it’s
just a it’s heavy mhm and
you like in that when you were just
talking you said God had to leave him
because of our sin yeah what does that
mean God was with him and he was with
God as
God but okay let’s go back really quick
sorry we’re going to finish how much
time we have I love that we have seven
minutes okay in this episode God creates
uh the garden it says he walked with man
in the cool of the day he gave him
commands they broke him in that day you
will die when you eat of that tree okay
Adam ate of the tree they died but Adam
lived for 900 years I see so he died
spiritually God left him why God is Holy
he has fire he is light he can’t exists
where there is Darkness okay it’s it’s
it’s almost like an allergic reaction
uhhuh there’s no existing that way yeah
so God left him okay then God
establishes the nation of Israel his
people he says build a tabernacle and
I’ll come and visit once a year God the
shakina glory of God would come down on
that Tabernacle the high priest washed
and dressed would go in and God would
take the sacrifice of Blood on the Altar
and the high priest would come out and
the people would say we’ve been forgiven
for our sins this year okay I see that
Temple was
desecrated ultimately by a guy named
Antiochus epiphanies a Greek he
slaughtered a pig on the Altar and
around the time and then they rebuilt it
and they’ve had different temples but
around the time Jesus came and was born
around the time a little bit before
there’s overlap that Temple was Hollow
it was just a it was it I mean it was a
hollow why God moved out well where did
he move into he moved into the man Jesus
right so Jesus go goes along and he’s
with God and he’s doing Miracles and
everything else well he gets on the
cross and because of sin because Jesus
Took on the sin by going to the Cross to
die for the wages of sin God says I’m at
3 p.m. light like the lamb I’m gone I’m
gone and so he experienced the departure
just like Adam the first Adam
experienced the departure but he did it
in righteousness right that’s why God
returned mhm but he paid for the sin in
that space that’s why there was the
departure here’s the thing now God moves
imp permanently he does not depart
anymore why because his son paid for the
price of sin once and for all by his
shed blood and by faith God moves in and
he doesn’t leave when you do wrong
religions try to make him move in and
out constantly and they say oh God you
know they Fallen he doesn’t move in and
out he is there because of what Jesus
did does that make sense yeah but we can
what I have questions about that but
it’s not really related but like
how how he enters in and like there is
such a thing as us leaving it yeah and
it’s it’s the rare occasion I put it
that way it’s not
doubt it’s not going down into the
depths of sin for a season as a Believer
MH it’s not your flesh reigning it’s
when you cognitively have known him and
you say I’m done with you it’s it and
it’s a purposeful rejection God Is Not A
desperate and he’s not going to force
him oh no no I’m not leaving you because
I said he said okay and then that’s done
the scripture that’s like five examples
where God says and then we are done
there is there’s no more coming back for
you because you have decided to
personally cut me out and you want that
and we have examples of people like that
in history you know and uh but I still
maintain if they ever came back he would
come back in but when they make that
move they usually are just gone yeah
they don’t want it it’s not a moment of
rebellion or weakness yeah does that
make sense yeah the but the other side
of the issue of being bad is when
religions teach oh you you had sex with
your girlfriend well God is not with you
now there is a grieving of the spirit
that’s talked about but that just means
the spirit is sad that uh you aren’t
operating to your full capacity yeah I
submit that God is stronger in someone’s
life then not weaker they want to make
it conditional yeah I say Jesus did the
suffering for the sin and there’s no
condition here I’m Not Jesus he
understands he hasn’t left me Pastor so
don’t give me that yeah yeah I
might be weak he’s not you get the
difference yeah
so Jesus dies at 3 p.m. like the other
Lambs there were Lambs literally dying
around the town right then all over yeah
on the Passover yeah and that’s when God
leaves and then he people say he’s
calling
Elijah yeah he’s calling Elijah because
they had the belief that elah was going
to come back and that he was calling out
to Elijah it goes back to their
teachings but John the Baptist was the
Elijah that they were to expect and
Jesus teaches that okay um because he
says Eloy Eloy yeah yeah that sounds
like Elijah maybe so they said he’s
calling for Elijah they’re making up
anything to try to figure out what he’s
saying I’m trying to find there’s a lot
that happens before G before God comes
back though so let’s go through that so
immediately um oh we only have 19 one
minute left um immediately one of them
went ran and got a sponge filled it with
vinegar wine vinegar put it on his stuff
offered it for Jesus to drink the rest
and then the rest said now leave him
alone let’s see if Elijah comes to save
him yeah so they should know it’s not
some mystical like unknown thing that
John the back Baptist Was Elijah Jesus
was saying that he was teaching that
yeah but to the Jews who hadn’t been uh
introduced to Jesus teaching they could
have thought yeah he’s calling for elah
let’s see and and by the way vinegar was
the common drink then it was a very
light vinegar that the Romans drank to
refresh themselves it doesn’t sound
refreshing to me but that’s what they
drank okay and but and then let’s see if
elah has save him and when Jesus had
cried out again in a loud voice he gave
up his
spirit I mean he died okay so but so it
never I guess I’m realizing it it never
came says that God came back yeah and so
you have to read this all the gospels
okay and it says and then the light
returned okay yeah and then you P piece
that into that missing spot okay all
right the light returned not God yeah no
oh cuz you’re yeah and we think that uh
we know that that was God returning
because he goes from calling him my God
to
okay because when God’s in him
throughout his life he calls him father
does he ever call him God my God he
might say God will do this or or
something like that but when it’s a
personal reflection it’s always father
he’s never talks to God as my God yeah
in any other time but this or does he he
talks about him as being his
father uh but there are places where he
speaks of God so you just kind of have
to
understand that God is his father as a
man on the earth sorry yeah I’m just I’m
just asking are there times previously
when he’s directly like talking or
praying to God and calls him my God in
the way that he does it that’s the only
time only time oh wow yeah and it’s the
only time and he always when he prays
his father okay yeah all right yeah so
that was that’s Monumental yeah it
really
is and he calls him father because the
god in him is the son is the god in him
is the son it’s not including his flesh
or okay well no he’s calling him father
because as a man that’s how he relates
to God yeah you know but when he returns
the fatherson relationship’s been
restored so he calls him father because
it’s been restored but when the darkness
fell it was a human God relationship
there yeah so
then we’re we this episode’s going over
but just really fast so God returns and
it gets light again and that it seems
like that’s similar
to the lamb the sacrifice happening in
the temple and then God coming and
accepting it it’s like an acceptance of
would you say that yeah I could say that
yeah just but that’s what I picked up
acceptance the light dims in the Lamb’s
eyes the blood has been accepted by the
offering of the Lamb yeah and God
accepts it by showing up yeah so I think
see very similar but and so then when he
gives up his Spirit he goes away again
that’s he’s been fully
reconciled in other version I don’t know
if he says it here it is finished it
doesn’t say the only thing it has him
say in Matthew is my God my God why have
you forsaken me wow m Matthew is really
yeah so it’s finished he says it is
finished and he says a few other things
there’s seven statements of the cross
that m sing I was waiting for those and
they no no we get them from all
versions but he gave up his spirit and
so the god that’s in him that had just
left goes back and like is combines
itself back together with God and the
flesh goes to the Grave goes to the
Grave which we’ll talk about in a minute
all right
okay until next time until next time
bye-bye
