Is Jesus Coming Back? – Part 2

In this discussion, we delve into the nuances of the belief in Jesus's second comingChrist’s return, fulfilled in 70 A.D., ending the old covenant—not the world. and the impact it has on Christian life and faith today.

The Impact of Belief in Jesus's Return

Many Christians believe that Jesus will return to raptureA misinterpreted concept—biblical “rapture” language was fulfilled in 70 A.D., not a future escape event. More his church, take his bride, and destroy the world. This belief is deeply ingrained in many traditions and communities. However, it raises the question: does this belief change how we live our lives?

Ethan, one of the speakers, shares that he is torn between futurist and preterist views. He expresses that he does not possess all the information required to make a definitive decision, noting that whether Jesus is coming back or not should not change how Christians love and interact with each other. It shouldn't matter in how we live our lives in faith, as the core principles of love and forgiveness through Christ remain unchanged.

Differing Perspectives and Freedoms

The conversation turns to how this belief impacts different communities, such as Mormons and Christian anarchists, who are actively preparing for Jesus's return. They focus on earthly kingdom building, driven by the anticipation of the world-changing event. This approach is rooted in the belief that the world will be transformed into a place of anarchy and communism upon his return.

In contrast, some argue that the events described in scripture that sound apocalyptic were actually fulfilled in 70 A.D. with the destruction of Jerusalem. This preterist view posits that we are now in a new, spiritual age, which can be liberating for believers. It frees them from the pressures of earthly kingdom building and allows them to experience a greater sense of spiritual freedom.

Conclusion

The belief in Jesus's second coming plays a significant role in shaping faith and practice for many. However, it is essential to consider how this belief influences our daily lives and interactions. Regardless of differing views, the foundational truths of love, forgiveness, and faith in Christ remain central to Christian life. The conversation encourages believers to focus on these enduring principles while engaging in discussions around eschatological beliefs.

The Freedom and Liberty in Christ

Maintaining Faith

Can you still have freedom and liberty in Christ while waiting for his return? I believe so. Every day, we have the opportunity to live in that freedom. However, there is also the temptation to burden ourselves with kingdom building while waiting. It often becomes a crutch for some. Personally, I'm uncertain about the approach of those who preach about this return extensively.

Faith and Anticipation

Our approach to faith can vary significantly based on our belief in the imminence of Christ's return. If your entire life is built on the idea that Christ is coming back soon and signs are everywhere, then it naturally affects your faith journey. But if you believe Christ will return eventually and choose to live your life by preaching the gospel and living for Christ in the meantime, it might not impact you as dramatically. I've always identified as a futurist, anticipating His return, and it shaped the way I approached faith for a long time.

Historical Interpretations and Faith

Reflecting on the past, I realize how expectations of Christ's immediate return have persisted for centuries. Many outside the faith might laugh, seeing it as stereotypical since the world remains imperfect. However, understanding historical events and their alignment with biblical prophecies can actually strengthen one's faith. When considering Jesus's words about events that would happen within a generation, and their fulfillment in 70 A.D. with the destruction of Jerusalem, it provides a solid historical context that reinforces my belief.

Reinterpreting Revelation

Often, one's understanding of the Book of RevelationA symbolic prophecy fulfilled in 70 A.D.—not a prediction of future global events. shapes their perception of faith. For years, I interpreted it as a futuristic prophecy with literal symbols like beasts and stars falling. Recently, I discovered the preterist view, which interprets these events as historical, not future. It intrigued me enough to reconsider Revelation through this lens, realizing that many are unfamiliar with this perspective. It’s an avenue of understanding that requires more exploration and discussion.

Understanding Christianity in a Fulfilled Biblical Status

What is the Point of Being a Christian?

If Christ has already come back and we are living in a completely fulfilled biblical status, one might ask, "What is the point of being a Christian?" The essence of Christianity remains unchanged—loving each other, loving our neighbors, and having faith. These principles are foundational and continue to guide the actions of Christians.

An evangelical might argue that belief in Jesus Christ is crucial because, otherwise, one risks going to hell. Others view the point of Christianity as preparing for events like the rapture. However, in a fulfilled age where Christ has already returned, the purpose of Christianity is to love God and worship Him.

When asked for a compelling reason to love God, aside from personal devotion, one might say that Christianity brings peace: peace with oneself, peace with others, and peace with God. This peace and love fulfill one's life and provide a sense of purpose.

The Concept of Hell in a Fulfilled Age

This brings us to the question: Does hell still exist in the fulfilled age? Traditionally, hell was perceived as a place made for Satan and his demons. Biblically, hell—or Sheol—was a reality, a covered place where everyone was separate from God. This included figures like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as well as pagans, some going to paradise and others to prison.

Revelation mentions that after Christ's return, hell gives up its dead, who then face the great white throne judgment. This event was specific to the people of that age. Today, as explained in 2 Corinthians, God has reconciled the world to Himself through Christ. Therefore, the reality of hell as previously understood does not apply.

Those who live without God and Christ do not have His peace, love, or spiritual growth. In contrast, believers become sons and daughters of God, adopted into the house of Israel, and enter the new JerusalemThe spiritual reality of God's fulfilled presence with humanity—replacing Sheol after 70 A.D.. Those who die without this relationship remain outside the gates of the new Jerusalem, a place devoid of light and the essence of the new creation. Whether this is considered a form of hell is debatable, but it is certainly different from the torment and woe often associated with traditional views of hell.

Conclusion

In summary, the role and purpose of Christianity endure even in a fulfilled age. While the concept of hell may evolve, the principles of love, peace, and spiritual fulfillment remain at the heart of the faith. Understanding these changes can be complex, but they highlight the ongoing journey of faith and the importance of a relationship with God.

Understanding Doctrine and Biblical Theology

In today's discussion, we delve into the complexities of doctrine and biblical theology. It’s a journey of learning, where many questions arise, especially about the events that unfolded in 70 A.D.

The Timing of Events

When contemplating the sequence of events, particularly those happening in 70 A.D., it seems counterintuitive for there to be a 2000-year gap before anything else occurred. It would be perplexing to claim we are still waiting for something major to happen when it was said to be "coming soon." The contradictions in beliefs among Christians can often stem from this misunderstanding. There is constant inconsistency, especially when considering Christ's promise to return within a generation. If those events were meant to happen then, why do we still anticipate them now?

Christian Beliefs and Contradictions

Christians often assert that Jesus hasn't come back yet and await his return for judgment. Yet, questions arise. For instance, what happens to believers like Grandpa Jones, who died in 1920? He was a great believer and is believed to have gone to heaven. But when Jesus returns, will Grandpa Jones be judged again to see if he returns to heaven? This inconsistency highlights the selective interpretation of scripture that some believers adopt to fit convenient narratives.

Apostolic Authority and Church Practices

Another angle to consider is the authority conveyed by apostolic letters in the New Testament. If Jesus hasn’t returned to take his church, should we not still be under apostolic authority? The New Testament suggests practices like excommunication should still be in effect. If we genuinely believe we are in that era, churches should consistently follow those teachings. However, this is where the pick-and-choose approach emerges again. Many churches don't call out sins in public as Paul instructed, revealing a gap between belief and practice.

Hypocrisy in Religious Practice

In our conversations, we uncover examples of hypocrisy within Christian practices. A discussion arose with a Christian orthodox individual who questioned the dietary habits contrasting with Old Testament teachings. Although the Old Testament deemed certain foods unclean, such as pork, those now following New Testament teachings view it differently. When asked if he follows all Old Testament teachings, the contradiction emerged as he often indulged in behaviors inconsistent with those teachings. This inconsistency in adherence serves as a reminder of the selective practice that can occur in religious observance.

Throughout this discussion, it's evident that while beliefs may vary, the discrepancies between saying and doing often highlight the broader struggle of living within doctrinal consistency.

Analyzing Biblical Interpretation in Contemporary Christianity

Old Testament Literalism and Inconsistencies

The conversation begins with a thought-provoking discussion on the selective interpretation of biblical texts in contemporary Christianity. If we interpret the Old Testament literally, then actions like adultery, expressly condemned by Christ who said, "if you even look at a woman with lust, that's adultery," should bear severe punishments like stoning. However, many seem to cherry-pick the Old Testament rules that are convenient, skipping over the severe consequences.

The issue becomes more pronounced when discussing homosexuality. Leviticus 20 states, "their blood shall be shed upon them," yet this passage is often overlooked in favor of Leviticus 18:22, which many are quick to cite. The inconsistency in what is taught versus what is adhered to is frustrating, as it appears that people accept the easy answers fed to them by their churches instead of critically engaging with the texts.

The Liberation of Consistent Understanding

This selective approach prompts a revelation, pun intended, that a consistent interpretation of scriptures brings an understanding that liberates. The view that Jesus returned in 70 A.D. presents a cohesive narrative that some find allows them to escape the frustration of contradictions present in selective biblical interpretations. This comprehensive perspective offers a sense of closure, tying up theological inconsistencies neatly.

Encouragement for Open-Minded Discussions

As the conversation wraps up, a call for open-mindedness is made. Even with differing viewpoints, the importance of coming together for discussion in the Christian community is emphasized. Engaging with these discussions allows for growth in faith, even amid disagreements. It's important to remain open to new perspectives and not lose hope, even as some feel let down by the expectation of a future return of Christ.

Hope and Freedom in Faith

Despite the challenges of current times, including the chaos of events like Kobe Bryant's deathSeparation from God—now overcome. Physical death remains, but it no longer separates us from life with God. and global crises, the underlying message in Christianity remains hopeful. Understanding the truth liberates believers from fear, fostering trust in God. This consistent understanding removes fear and underscores the value of faith as a source of liberty.

A Light-Hearted Conclusion

The conversation ends on a light-hearted note as participants choose topics for future discussions, highlighting an amusing moment about whether God created venomous creatures and leading into considerations of evolution. It underscores the importance of exploring varied and challenging subjects within the context of faith.