Heart of the Matter Broadcast Recap

Live from Salt Lake City, Utah, this is Heart of the MatterTGNN’s original show where Shawn McCraney deconstructed religion and developed fulfilled theology. where we do all we can to worship God in Spirit and in Truth. I’m Shawn McCraneyFounder of TGNN and developer of the fulfilled perspective—calling people to faith outside of religion., your host.

Special Guest: Adam’s Road and Lynn Wilder

Show 42 519 Adam’s Road October 11th 2016

As mentioned last week, we had a visit from Adam’s Road a couple of weeks back and they were gracious enough to stop in and say hello – which we taped. We also had the pleasure of Lynn Wilder – mother to Micah and Matthew Wilder of Adam’s Road, former BYU Professor and author of "Unveiling Grace" join us on stage. Let’s take a look.

RUN TAPE OF ADAM’S ROAD HERE

Viewer Emails and Responses

15 Minutes to end – EMAILS

A year later and I'm getting back to you. Huge apologies, my brother. I believe Christian Zionism to be foolishness, a mere product of Darby’s dispensationalismA view that divides history into “ages” with separate plans—TGNN teaches Christ fulfilled all in 70 A.D. More. I think it’s a political tool that the US and Israel use to keep their political alliance safe. Just my opinion. Thanks for writing, watching, and for the love and support.

God bless you, my brother. Shawn

From: David Blair
Subject: Recently
Message Body: To Shawn McCraney
From: David Blair
Date: 01/10/2016

Good day to you. (kindly only read, please do not discuss on air) You read my email recently… I have prayed and prayed a lot. The Bible says people who are in need are helped I don't understand. I never have believed I just wanted to believe … but the fact is belief is not enough Thank you, Sir Shawn McCraney. I appreciate the work you do, but it is only a comfort for those who are desperate. I just feel that in a corner we pray for the sake of prayer. In face nobody has any control. Nobody. Again thank you for your emails.

Kind Regards

From: Geoff
Subject: Transitioning Out of the Church & Family

Hi…not sure if Shawn has time to read and respond to many emails but I would love to hear from him if possible. I've been watching your shows on youtube for quite some time and just finished watching your "Mormon Stories" episodes from a few years back. Just want to say that we've got A LOT in common and I really appreciate what you are doing.

So here are my questions…

1. Do you have any advice on transitioning out of the church with an active wife and children. My wife has not freaked out about me losing my testimony but she's certainly scared about the thought of me leaving. We're both well aware of the possible repercussions from family and friends within our ward and church 'family.' I think our biggest worry is our kids. We've got 3 (9, 11, and 13). I think our relationship with them is good enough that they wouldn't completely freak out if we sat them down and told them what we now know…but obviously it would have unpredictable effects on them. I know you've been through this with your own family so I would really appreciate your perspective. Also, you mentioned that one of your daughters works with you in your ministry – it would be helpful to get her thoughts (if possible).

2. I'm not moving out of the church quickly (still active with a calling) and a big part of that is that I don't know what to do next. My biggest fear is losing God altogether. I'm tempted to start 'church shopping' but I'm afraid that could backfire on me (unfortunately, I think there are just as many ignorant Christians as there are Mormons). If I was in Utah I would just show up at one of your Sunday study sessions but I live in Arizona. Do you have any contacts down this way that I could reach out to?

Thanks again for all you are doing. I really appreciate your sincerity and passion for truth. I hope that I can find that zeal for the Lord. Truthfully though, right now I feel like a ship without an anchor and, well, it just really sucks.

Thanks, Geoff

Our Response

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Shawn Aaron McCraney shawn@alatheamedia.com wrote:

Geoff. I have been in your exact same shoes, my brother. From what it sounds like, you are going about everything in God's timing––which is awesome.

Trust and Faith in Spiritual Growth

My best advice is to keep looking to Him, lay it all at His feet, tell Him you'll wait on Him to show you who He is and to give you clarity. I guarantee He will pull through. Love your wife. Love your kids. Support them in their endeavors in the church. Be there for them as you've always been. You CANNOT go wrong with love. Err on the side of love. God will open eyes and change hearts.

Go where He leads. Trust that He is working. Open your Bible and start reading. It will renew your mind, bring you peace, and keep you in tune with the Lord. My daughter's testimony can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RwngeO1Jro. You might be interested in what she has to say at 6:24.

Keep going, man. I don't have any contacts in Arizona, but please feel free to call me at anytime. We are keeping you and yours in prayer.

Shawn
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Support and Understanding in Family Challenges

Hey Shawn,

Thank you so much for the thoughtful response and prayers.

We're doing better. The big news is that my wife is coming around. She's knows I'm not crazy and that the issues are real. She agreed to read some things I'd been digging into and now she completely recognizes how BIG the church history issues actually are. So now I feel like we're really in this together…which is a HUGE blessing.

We're still a bit in the closet about our evolving beliefs (at least with close friends) but are starting to open up to more and more people. We let the cat out of the bag with our current bishopric…they were extending a new calling to my wife and she just broke down in tears…she couldn't just pretend that everything was going well. So we told them what's going on. Fortunately, they were super supportive, non-judgmental, etc. That said, they had no answers for any of our questions and I told them that I don't expect they ever will. I think their only hope is that we just keep coming, serving, and trying to believe. Haha…and now I get regular text messages and cookie deliveries from the Bishop and Bishopric families!

Exploring New Faith Foundations

Probably the biggest eye-opener came from a conversation with our 14-year-old daughter. We were worried that she may have been picking up on some of our 'private' conversations so we decided that we needed to tell her what was going on. She was amazing! Her response was a definite eye-opener to me. It was so refreshing to see how clearly she was able to think about the situation without 30+ years of indoctrination weighing her down. I was shocked when she said "don't worry, as long as we are strong as a family and love Jesus we'll be ok!"…"maybe we'll just go to another church." Call me shocked! A few days later I told her about a few of the "new discoveries" that had led to our situation. I talked her through Joseph Smith's polygamy and the Book of Mormon translation and the look on her face said it all. To her, it was completely obvious that the story was messed up…no cognitive dissonance in her young mind.

My new struggle is trying to find my new faith foundation. I'm sure you know this better than me, but it's no surprise to me that so many ex-mormons end up leaving religion all together. Once you begin questioning things it's hard to turn that off. And of course, some people say the Bible and Christianity have just as many problems as Mormonism. I don't know if that is true or not but I'm trying to get my "intellectual fix" in a faith-promoting way. I picked up Lee Strobel's "The Case for Christ" and, for me at least, that's exactly what I needed. It's so refreshing to read an account of an intellectual religious pursuit that doesn't end up with a bunch of "WTFs"! And I'm finally starting to understand why the Christian world puts the Bible, front and center, as the one true source of religious authority. There's so much POSITIVE history to that book. It's amazing to me to think about how the canon even came about, and how the accounts of the Gospels are so consistent. No wonder so many Christians feel insulted by arrogant Mormons who talk about "the most correct of any book" that has no historical evidence…not a shred of depth when compared to the Bible. So obviously I'm discovering the Bible for

Personal Journey Through Faith and Doubt

The first time… I've read it before but reading it through "Mormon glasses" is not really reading it…at least not in my experience. Thanks again for your support. And thanks for what you doing to help those of us experiencing our "great awakening." Cheers, G

Dear Shawn,

I need to talk to someone who knows what I am going through and has been through it themselves. I live in England and was baptized LDS at 17 at the height of the Osmonds. I later fell away and got myself excommunicated in order to stop being harassed. I rejoined the church at 40 but because so much was expected of me which was nigh on impossible with a very anti-non-mormon husband and young children to manage. I was torn and it was really painful to become inactive yet I still believed and would have gone to my deathbed declaring the church to be true. I felt useless, a total failure, unworthy and just not good enough because there was no chance I could ever go to the temple.

Feeling this way carried on till I was 50 then my husband got diagnosed with Parkinson Disease and we were on the point of losing everything. I felt so depressed and desperate. I tried to get in contact with the church again and thought maybe I might be able to have a patriarchal blessing which would give me comfort, strength and hope. I rang the bishop and he said I needed to attend church regularly, tithe and be active which was I just couldn’t do so was denied one. I needed to talk with him but he would only see me as a home teacher accompanied by a 15-year-old which was totally inappropriate. Yet I still believed, defended the church and believed it to be true. Because of what he said I came to believe that the awful things that were happening to me were because I deserved them, it was a test to remain faithful no matter what. This was my lot in life.

Discovering New Truths

Fast forward 10 years…I came across your YouTube podcasts recently and was glued. My mouth fell open when I learned about the origin of the Book of Abraham, Joseph Smith being a sexual predator and the truth of the Book of Mormon. I felt numb, empty then the anger bitterness and resentment set in. How could I be so stupid and gullible and what was this warm feeling I had been feeling over the many years? I felt such a fool. I appreciated your honesty and openness, telling me to look things up for myself which I did and now I am an avid reader of the bible and accept Jesus as my savior. My heart is free, I can be myself and now am at peace and finally I have hope. My question is do I need to be baptized? I am so wary of any church now and cannot take an active part yet I want to do the right thing.

Thanks to you, Bishop and Carla Erskine, Dianne Mattew and all the ex-mormons for being there and being my support group. I love you all so much (but esp Bishop Erskine!)

Your sister in Jesus Christ (feels so good to say that)

Gillian

Recent Revelations from Leaks

Received this information which really blows my mind. It’s from Wikileaks: Now 58 links. Mormon Leaks Megathread (self.atheism) submitted 1 day ago * by No PMs: Please modmail rAtheismMods – announcement

5 months ago u/mormondocuments promised a big leak of Mormon Church administrative documents. https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/4fzc73/who_wants_to_see_some_secret_mormon_church/ He then made a few teasers: https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/4fzgra/lds_church_global_government_relations_policies/ https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/4px7fb/too_bad_joseph_didnt_have_one_of_these_would_have/

Overview of Leaked Documents

The actual leaks started only a few hours ago:
Leaked Document #1: Temple Purchasing Guide
Leaked Document #2: Church Cash Financial Standard Policy Paper
Leaked Document #3: Purchasing Guide for Mission Homes, Visitor Center Director Homes, and Church-owned Mission Housing
Leaked Document #4: Want a Missionary Badge? PROCEDURES: Ordering Missionary Badges
Leaked Document #5: Financial Standards: Investments
Leaked Document #6: Financial Standards: Capital Assets
Leaked Document #7: Intellectual Property Policies
Leaked Document #8: Area Legal Counsel Map
Leaked Document #9: Sensitive Units: Church Directory of Organizations and Leaders
Leaked Document #10: Church Security Department Executive Committee
Leaked Document #11: Ecclesiastical Departments Policies
Leaked Document #12: Church Security Global Security Operations Center (GSOC) Synopsis
Leaked Document #13: Distribution Services Restricted Items List
Leaked Document #14: Employee Discipline: A Guide for Church Employment
Leaked Document #15: Global Government Relations Policies and Procedures Memo
Leaked Document #16: Church Records (Administrative/Financial/Legal) Retention Information
Leaked Document #17: Portfolio Financial Report
Leaked Document #18: Portfolio Project Budget Summary
Leaked Document #19: Public Affairs Training Manual
Leaked Document #20:

Internal Control Evaluation – Leaks and Insights

List of Leaked Documents

Leaked Document #21: Website Metrics
Leaked Document #22: Tech Use Among Members
Leaked Document #23: Financial Plan for "Mormon Messages" Program
Leaked Document #24: Budget/Concept Approval for Temple Groundbreakings, Open Houses, Cultural Events, and Dedications
Leaked Document #25: Accessing and Securing Financial Information
Leaked Document #26: Meetinghouse Blueprints
Leaked Document #27: Church Directory of Organizations and Leaders Training Manual
Leaked Document #28: Church Unit Banking Services User Guide
Leaked Document #29: First Presidency Disciplinary Council Data Usage Agreement
Leaked Document #30: Bullshit J.R. Holland Internal Employee Talk on Leadership
Leaked Document #31: Social Media Campaign Concept and Budget
Leaked Document #32: Quorum of the 12 Budget for Special Events: $1,500,000.00
Leaked Document #33: "Overcoming Pornography" Product, Concept, and Budget
Leaked Document #34: Ambassador Outreach Initiative
Leaked Document #35: Policy on Meetings, Contacts, or Requests with High-Level Gov. Officials
Leaked Document #36: Europe Area Plan Executive Version
Leaked Document #37: Church Travel Handbook
Leaked Document #38: Church Security Department World Risk
Leaked Document #39: Church Security Department Document on Global Scams
Leaked Document #40: Church Security Dept Handout on Questioning and Interrogation
Leaked Document #41: Clothing Reference Guide
Leaked Document #42: Philippines Government Relation Plan
Leaked Document #43: Worldwide Government Relations Priority Countries
Leaked Document #44: Solomon Islands Real Estate Briefing Paper
Leaked Document #45: "Budget Status Report for Closing Project Review"
Leaked Document #46: Presiding Bishopric Safety and Health Information Manual
Leaked Document #47: Church Global Service Center Costs
Leaked Document #48: Global Human Resources Policy Manual
Leaked Document #49: Global Government Relations Policies and Procedures
Leaked Document #50: Scripture Product Plan ($19,500,000 for five years)
Leaked Document #51: Financial Standard: Payment Cards
Leaked Document #52: Communication Services Committee Memo w/ Budget
Leaked Document #53: April 2015 Mission President Seminar Itinerary at EDSA ShangriLa Hotel
Leaked Document #54: 2008 Missionary Tech Plan w/ Financial Projections
Leaked Document #55: First Presidency Memo Re: European Government Relations
Leaked Document #56: Major IT Incident Management Guidelines
Leaked Document #57: United Nations Memo
Leaked Document #58: Guidelines for UN Government Relations Couple in Geneva

Notes on the Leaked Documents

He also made a personal post about the leaks: Reddit Post

If any links are broken or link to the wrong post please let us know. This post will be updated periodically to include more documents as the whistleblower releases more.

• Note: Some of these documents do include personal information, but reddit's admins have said that they are okay with PI if it's on a 3rd party site and newsworthy (this is definitely newsworthy).
• Note: Many of these links are to /r/exmormon, please don't overwhelm a smaller subreddit with activity; their mods are already busy.

All of the documents can also be found on /r/Mormonleaks

Message of Gratitude

From: Lisa Kray
Subject: THANK YOU
Message Body:
THANK YOU – THANK YOU – THANK YOU! Dear Shawn and HOTM staff, I want to thank – you for your program I just fund you this summer. I was an LDS member for 20 years. I always had questions and doubts but would push them aside. It truly started for me when my son was diagnosed with autism. The relief society was teaching that I just needed to be more worthy and to pray harder and he would be cured. Then after I was called as relief society president I was told my son was born with autism because he was a valiant warrior in the war in heaven. So much so he was sent to earth with his disability to protect him from Satan and I needed to be thankful. I truly tried to be worthy for years. Then I was diagnosed with a tumor wrapped around my carotid arteries. again I was counseled that to be cured I had to be more worthy. Thankfully my father in Heaven used this time to strengthen my resolve to find the truth. I was inactive for a while and then one day while alone in my van I was praying asking what I should do. My prayer was answered with a scripture from Proverbs (i think) to train up your children in the way you want them to go and when they are old they will not depart from it. With the immediate thought this(LDS) was not how I was raised.I then began to search for a church. I found the Church of God through my 18 year old son which is another story. I felt at home the praise and worship immediately filled me with joy. This summer I attended my first Christian Rock concert and experienced the filling of my heart with the Holy Spirit. Something I had never felt in the LDS meetings or temple. your show has given me the knowledge I wish I had gotten years ago. I have had my name removed from the records my husband is still on the record He does attend church with

Reflections on Faith and Beliefs

me and hope for him to see the light one day. again Thank-You and God Bless

From: Joe Hook
Subject: I will miss you
Message Body:
Hi, I wanted to let you know that Shawn helped me understand the real background of the Mormon beliefs and how deceptive they are. I really have been blessed. Why is he now turning into his own version of Joseph Smith? Not from a deceivers place, but one that would rather be governed by his own feelings and ideas than listen to people who understand the nature of all cults, not just the LDS? Matt Slick was trying to tell him that there have been many people that have brought forth ideas and beliefs throughout history and Shawn's beliefs have already been dealt with, hence it being classified as heresy. The "Big" words that Matt was using were not to deceive or intellectually overwhelm him but to show him that people throughout history have died for the truth. Please, can you ask him to get around people that know the Bible and also know what it means to be loving when speaking truth? Ask him to be humble? Not ignorant to just accept blindly, but willing to listen with a hammer in his hand to break falsehood. If it's true, it will stand the beating untouched. Please get around people who are wise in Christ. Listen to John Piper, Meet with James White and hang with Matt Slick. Find out Why truth is so important. Please. In His love, Joe

I WROTE

God bless you, Joe.

Shawn

He replied

Thanks Shawn! Though I have to ask, is this meant as a dismissal because you are "Done" with me, a deluded follower of an intolerant form of an archaic religion? Or are you like me, a blood bought son of the radically loving God who can do whatever He wants, but chose to love me and give me everything in him instead? Me, a scumbag compared to Him and so many others, a heinous sinner and rebel that He loved and rescued while I was flipping Him off in my sinMissing the mark of faith and love—no punishment, just lost growth or peace.?

Understanding the Radical Gospel

I get your dissolution with those so-called Christians who have knowledge without love? They need to see a dose of their sin, to get the radical nature of the gospel. So they can weep when they talk about what He did for them. Instead of putting themselves in the choice seats of the hypocrites.

I really thought you were that guy. Committed to the crazy truth of what God did and does for His enemies. In contrast to what the LDS do to their people.

I have to get back to your channel to see if you are still loved because of temporal universalism. Or getting persecuted by people who want God in their pocket.

Still and always in His undeserving love, Hoping to call you my Brother.

Joe

Hey Shawn, hope all is well and I am still enjoying your videos and your interactions with LDS callers. I recently took a tour of the Star Valley temple and boy was it an amazing place. Such fine craftsmanship and care in the building of that place. They made sure to point out how wonderful it is. It really made me quite sick. How many mouths could have been fed, children clothed, housing for the homeless, help for the widows and orphans could have been provided with the money spent on constructing that 'temple'.

Perspectives on Religious Practice

Anyway, I wanted to know if by chance you have a written form of all your interpretations of scripture? I know you have all the videos and they get me thinking and wanting to study more in the bible. But I love your take on a lot of the questions I ask myself, or am confused about. Sorry if I'm being a bother, I would never want to take away time from someone who needs your help more than me. But if I could get something on paper, I think it could really spark my interest and solidify some of the things I'm unsure about. Thanks for all that you do and God Bless You!!!

Brother Shawn, Me again. Always wondering.

Exploring the Sacrament

What is the significance of the sacrament–the Mormon version versus the Christian? I'm not familiar with too many Christian churches, so don't even know if they have "communion" or a sacrament every week, or some have it at all.

There are maybe four little Christian churches in our very rural area, with maybe 10-20 people who attend. My daughters have visited three different Christian churches and were never offered any sort of

Examining Sacrament in Different Religious Contexts

The churches, however, are pretty consistent about soliciting monetary offerings. 🙂 I visited one non-denominational church and they didn't have sacrament. Maybe they do it only once a month, I don't know. Haven't been enough times to know.

I know the Catholic church here offers what they call communion, where when you partake of the bread and wine you are partaking of literal blood and flesh of Christ. Argh. Other than that, I don't know what significance the sacrament plays in Christian churches. I love the beautiful sacrament prayers we have in the Mormon sacrament meetings. But if they are all just fabrications of Joseph Smith's doing, then what? Are Christian churches supposed to have a bread and wine sacrament, or was that just for Jesus' apostles before he was crucified?

Thanks, Jeanette

Questions on LDS Doctrine and Biblical Interpretation

Shawn,

I have a question of sorts. Perhaps you've addressed it on your show, but I haven't seen them all. I know the LDS doctrine of the Bible is that they believe it as far as it is translated correctly, yet they teach that "many plain and precious things" were taken away. (1 Nephi 13).

Wouldn't this mean that what's in the Bible can still be fully believed? But they still have doubts when certain things are read to them. Or to put it another way, why do they believe that the Bible has been corrupted and yet continue to use the Bible to defend LDS views?

(I recently read an article from an ISIS magazine where they did the same thing–use portions of the NT to defend Islamic beliefs, yet Islam teaches that the Bible has been corrupted.)

Andy Cassler '07 Career Advisor & Indy Summer Experience Coordinator Internship and Career Services, Atherton 315 Butler University (317) 940-9422 www.butler.edu/ics

Questioning Methods of Spiritual Validation

From: Thom Subject: Question for Mormon missionaries Message Body: Thought of a new angle to use on Mormon missionaries. Instead of going after the archaeology or the book of mormon, why not just pose a simple question: If the way to know the truth is to pray and get a good feeling about it, why are there multiple Mormon sects? The LDS pray and get a good feeling about Monson, FLDS get a good feeling about Warren Jeffs, and the Temple Lot Mormons get a good feeling about Stephen Veezy. Who has the right good feeling? Then invite them to come back next week to share the Gospel with them. It's unexpected, simple, and completely undermines the basis for their belief.

Greetings Shawn,

I just wanted to share something I thought interesting. Joseph Smith wasn't the only "Prophet" who formed a Church as a correction to all the other churches in the 1800s. The Seventh Day Adventists have a "Prophetess" named Ellen G. White who co-founded them with her husband in 1860. And the Christian Science Church was started in 1879 by their "Prophetess" Mary Baker Eddy. Both groups respectively view the writings of these women as on equal level as scripture and all other Christian groups as apostate churches. And both groups see the Catholic Church as the greatest enemy. It would have been interesting if all three "prophets" would have met each other.

Mike Robinson Long Island, NY

First Time Email: Personal Impact Testimony

From: Ed Smith Subject: First Time Email – I love your ministry! Message Body: Hi Shawn firstly, Thank you for your boldness to never back down from the Christian community that have been trying to shut off your ministry. After watching many shows and hearing your heart, I am appalled and really embarrassed at the things that you have had to go through in dealing with all the hate coming from the evangelical church. Really I am ashamed of us as believers, where is the love? I too have many of the same views as you have so I guess I am also on the outside now…

Well, I am not a Mormon and I have never been to a Mormon church. I am a Christian. I was saved in 1998 and I was 25 years old. I am writing to you today because your program and ministry has impacted me in ways you probably will never know. I am a truth seeker. I found some of your old videos on youtube about a year ago because I was trying to gain information about witnessing to a couple of Mormon friends. I assumed your ministry was to reach Mormons, and I guess it still is. Just in a different way now. I have watched almost every Heart of the matter show (I did skip a few in 2012, I wanted to get to the good stuff). As I grew in my faith over the years I have attended more than 10 Christian non-denominational churches in

Personal Journey in Faith

Several different states (I know what it is like to move to a new state, I am praying for your you and your wife as you make your new home in Utah). Anyway, I had a typical indoctrination into the American Christian church. Hell is eternal, Christ is about to come back (we think it’s in our lifetime etc.), pay your tithes, quit sinning, and all that good stuff. Almost everything made complete sense, I never thought twice about anything I was taught. After I had been a Christian for about 10 years, I began to see that there were many things that we were very dogmatic about that just didn’t make any sense. And it seemed that the things that should be boldly proclaimed were being missed.

If Christ was returning in a few years, months, or days, shouldn’t we all be out on the streets warning people of His imminent return!?! So I took an evangelism course while I was attending school at Liberty University Online. After this I couldn’t help but desire to head out to the streets and evangelize the lost. I took more evangelism classes and learned how to effectively witness using the “Way of the Master” method (LOL!) All the while scared that Christ would return at any moment. I have spent years of evangelizing on the streets in Phoenix, California, Seattle etc., all the while I couldn’t help but think that I was still missing something.

Understanding Biblical Teachings

The more I studied, the more I saw in the word that Christ couldn’t be coming back soon, his disciples clearly understood and wrote in their writings that He was returning soon, and Christ in Matthew 16:28 himself stated that the people standing there would see the things he said before they died. With just a few scriptures from the New King James Version without even reading the book of RevelationA symbolic prophecy fulfilled in 70 A.D.—not a prediction of future global events., I can come to the simple conclusion that Christ already came and completed what he said he would complete. No PHD, THD, Pastor, Elder etc. could convince me otherwise. If it is in the Bible, it trumps your doctor’s degree in theology, sorry.

And after watching your show, and another couple of pastors who do not think like our typical American churches, I began to see clearly that my thoughts over the years were true. I was missing a lot and the normal route of the material churches were not teaching this. As a matter of fact, once it settled in to my soul that the entire Bible was in the past and we are on the other side of that, and my job is to love like Christ loved, I have so much peace and no fear of the impending destruction of the earth. By the way, IF God created this world for his good pleasure and he said it was good when he was done, why on earth would he destroy it? These are the thoughts I would ask myself.

Moving Beyond Traditional Church

I use to desire to be a pastor, now I desire to serve where ever God has me, and I am completing my degree in Clinical Counseling. PRAISE AND GLORY TO GOD for he rules forever! I am so tired of playing church. It is nice to gather together as believers, but you are so right, the way in which we have been doing church for 1500 years is just off, and I for one am done with traditional church. I love my pastor, but I think it is time that we as Christians start opening our eyes to the truth and push against the brick and mortar church and become love to the world. It is what the world is waiting for!

Love you brother, and praying for you and your family. I will be in touch In Christ, Ed Smith

CLOSE: Remember, October 25th Matt Slick from CARM here to discuss the Bible. Get your calls ready. And we’ll see you next week here on HOTM!